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Why Russia will loose

@Toscani said in #12:
> We live in a small world and we all share something in common. Yet there are still wars. I believe it is high time for everyone in the world to undergo a genetic test, just to prove how closely related we all are. Maybe we need to know more about our roots.

There's no need for this war. Ukrainians and Russians are closely related.

Weidly Russia is destroying mostly the parts of Ukraine with many Russians, for instance Bakhmut. Bakhmut was Russian speaking AFAIK; now the city doesn't exist anymore.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #20:
> We know they cannot produce as much as they loose.

Do you have inside information? Russia has tremendous workforce labor.

> Also, they would not be using 50 year old tanks if they could make new and better ones. So that's another way we know

We dont know, you just assume.

> How come they didn't use old junk in the beginning and just started after they had lost 2K tanks?

They expected to overwhelm with numbers and tech. It clearly didnt worked. So might as well use the old ones to make them waste the expensive anti tank ammo on the meantime. It is an attrition war now.

> Many countries have stepped up production. The German arms producer Rheinemetal for instance stepped up on producing Gepards.

An arms producer is NOT a country. They are private corporations that have nowhere near the capacity of production of a country in war.

> In any case, USA has like thousands of Bradleys in storage. Anther thing is the "allies" can buy stuff Ukraine can use from whichever country has them and ship them Ukraine. Many countries have old tanks they'd be willing to sell.

Im not saying they dont have units in storage. All I said is that they are not making new ones at the rate they would if they were on war time, but Russia is, they should be building at war time rate.

> I just meant, we should not expect Russia to send every single tank down to the last one in storage in Ukraine. They need some for their basic defense. So it means Ukraine doesn't have to blow up ALL the 12K russian tanks, but maybe just 8K.

Russia is probably receiving Chinese tanks as well, maybe they are creating whole divisions, maybe they arent building tanks, and they are building planes, or missiles. We cant tell, but I am positive that they are building plenty more stuff. As far as Im concerned, they probably replaced at the very minimum, 50% of the lost tanks.
@Alientcp said in #22:
> Do you have inside information? Russia has tremendous workforce labor.

Not really. First they lost like 1 million young men that left the country to avoid military service; many were STEM people like engineers and IT-workers.

Secondly, Russia isn't very big. It's 140 million people. Just Spain and Germany can match that in terms of amount of people. In terms of skille people Spain+Germany is way ahead Russia.

The combined alliance supplying Russia has more relevant workforce than the total population of Russia.

> We dont know, you just assume.

One can follow the war, you will then get some hard information and then you can infer stuff.

Russia also wasn't really closed before the war, many Western companies operated there and some actually still do.

> They expected to overwhelm with numbers and tech. It clearly didnt worked. So might as well use the old ones to make them waste the expensive anti tank ammo on the meantime. It is an attrition war now.

Yeah no. No country would be like "we could win this fast with our superior weapons but instead of those then lest use junk so the war drags on forever which hurts us greatly."

> An arms producer is NOT a country. They are private corporations that have nowhere near the capacity of production of a country in war.

The arms producers work together with the countries, it's the state paying the bills for all the tanks after all.

The production of a company is pretty much the total of the private corporatons put together for western countries.

> Im not saying they dont have units in storage. All I said is that they are not making new ones at the rate they would if they were on war time, but Russia is, they should be building at war time rate.

If they were building much, we'd see the stuff they're bulding on the battlefield, but it isn't there.

It's not like "war time rate" means a country can by magic conjure up efficient factories.

Russia isn't the USSR. It just doesn't have that much industry in the first place, it's a country that lives from exporting raw materials. They rely heaily on western components and many things that can't even make, such as commercial airplanes.

Sure they're building at what is war time rate for Russia, but it isn't enough to keep up with the losses.

> Russia is probably receiving Chinese tanks as well, maybe they are creating whole divisions, maybe they arent building tanks, and they are building planes, or missiles. We cant tell, but I am positive that they are building plenty more stuff. As far as Im concerned, they probably replaced at the very minimum, 50% of the lost tanks.

They are 100% sure not receiving Chinese tanks. China isn't helping them, they don't want to get involved beyong vague statements.

The only meaningfull stuff Russia is getting from outside of Russia is the Iranian Shaheed drones. It speaks volume Russia can't even make simply drones in big enough numbers so they have to buy them.

There's zero reason to believe Russian can make 2K tanks/year.

I found a link with Russia bragging they will make 1600 tanks over 3 years
www.jpost.com/international/article-735453

1600 tanks won't help as they'll loose like 12000 tanks in 3 years of fighting based on the lossed during the first 16 months of fighting.

Other estimates puts them at like they can make 300 tanks/year which is not enough at all.

Last but not least, even if Russia has like invisible hidden factories making your 2K tanks/year, they'd still be 2K tanks short of covering the losses, so they'd still end up being forced to give up as they run out of tanks. If you can only replace less than 100% of what you loose, it means you end up with 0 eventually.
@walnutparkk said in #3:
> In today's news, it was reported that the Wagner Team, a group of mercenaries, up to recently working for Russia, has proceeded to move toward the capitol, wreaking havoc. Their leader has said he will stop the advance but he has not offered any type of draw. This hurts Russia both offensively (Wagner had been an effective force against Russia), and defensively (apparently there is not a strong enough reserve and Russia may have to bring troops from Ukraine back to Russia). Putin may be putting himself in a noose.
See, Wagner was just trying to warn Russia and the head of state to continue supporting Wagner, as without Wagner, the Russian military would be in a loss as many of the territories captured by Russia so far were possible due to the assistance of the Wagner group.

Also, the Russian regular military has been withholding arms and ammunition that are meant for the Wagner fighters. That ammunition is essential for the Wagner group as it is spearheading the operations in Donetsk, so the leader of the Wagner group just started a march from Rostov-on-Don to give a warning to the Russian leadership that if the arms and ammunition are not supplied in time, the Wagner group would suspend its operations in Donetsk, for which the Ukrainians would be glad, as they would be receiving a free gift. Now the situation is back to normal as Russia also agreed not to prosecute Wagner fighters. The Wagner group totally supports Russia and rumours about a civil war by the West are totally rubbish, it is just to boost the morale of underrated Ukrainian troops who are fighting on the frontline, without proper supplies and have lost all hope.

And as an Indian, I totally support Russia, and Russia ain't loosing this war in the near future, I wish luck to Zelensky.
Commenting attitude of @Sarg0n and @Raspberry_yoghurt . As much as I want Ukraine to win, russia did not lose yet, neither it is in sight. Europe and the rest of civilized world should rather focus more on the military help to Ukraine (which is by far not enough yet), rather that burying russia already. Nothing is over yet.
#25 must be a paid Putin-troll. Why would anyone support a criminal regime of mass-killers otherwise? Does he enjoy killing people?

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@Alex_1987 said in #26:
> Commenting attitude of @Sarg0n and @Raspberry_yoghurt . As much as I want Ukraine to win, russia did not lose yet, neither it is in sight.

What I wrote is I am guessing Russia can last two more years. Not sure if you read it? It looks like you think I wrote Russia will loose like in a couple of weeks or months?

> Europe and the rest of civilized world should rather focus more on the military help to Ukraine (which is by far not enough yet), rather that burying russia already.

What? It's not like that if you estimate how long the war lasts, then it means now you're not allowed to help any more lol.

The two years I guess Russia can last also obviously depends if the West keeps supplying them.. I didn't even consider what would happen f everybody stopped giving them weapons, as it won't happen.
@what_game_is_this said in #27:
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Actually, probably due to propaganda, Indians are indeed very pro-russian. He could be troll, but this can be also his "own" opinion based on the Indian state policy.
@Raspberry_yoghurt said in #28:
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I was talking about general attitude of you and another person, which seems to be overly optimistic imo.
Military support of Ukraine was very little and slow actually considering the scale of this war. It all began with those famous 5k helmets from Germany which could not be properly delivered for several months after full-scale war started. The tanks finally arrived more than after a year. Still, no modern aviation, very little anti-air defense, not a lot of long-range weapons (ATACMS missed for example), not enough ammunition for artillery, etc.

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