@Alex_1987 said in #14:
> #11. again, that's what they did with their country themselves. and I am sorry, but 2 thousand protesters in 150 millions country do not impress me much, when russian army attacks Ukraine. and yes, of course, symbolic actions against russian people should be taken by civilized world to show that something went really wrong and they finally have to do something about it in their own state.
Russia is bleeding so hard from the economic sanctions, and they will continue to do so even once Putin is gone coz decades of corruption and mismanagement don’t just go away like that, even if the sanctions are lifted eventually they will already be thrown back allot. That’s why Xi Jinping pretended to be on board with the invasion at first, now he will get coal and gas cheaper from Russia as they run short of customers. The second the sanctions were passed Peking went on a 180, because the intermediary goal was accomplished: isolate Russia to re-negotiate energy deals, while not throwing off the rest of the world for too long by backing this outrageous invasion.
I know that this point of view is not a big relief when you have to pay in blood for your freedom, rather than in money. And it becomes more disturbing when you have to kill your brethren to wake up and disenchant some of the people at home who might not even have a whole lot of influence and leverage in this whole scenario.
Basically Ukraine fights not only for themselves right now, but also against the oppression of the Russian people. It’s high time „the west“ increases the support of that cause if you ask me.
> #11. again, that's what they did with their country themselves. and I am sorry, but 2 thousand protesters in 150 millions country do not impress me much, when russian army attacks Ukraine. and yes, of course, symbolic actions against russian people should be taken by civilized world to show that something went really wrong and they finally have to do something about it in their own state.
Russia is bleeding so hard from the economic sanctions, and they will continue to do so even once Putin is gone coz decades of corruption and mismanagement don’t just go away like that, even if the sanctions are lifted eventually they will already be thrown back allot. That’s why Xi Jinping pretended to be on board with the invasion at first, now he will get coal and gas cheaper from Russia as they run short of customers. The second the sanctions were passed Peking went on a 180, because the intermediary goal was accomplished: isolate Russia to re-negotiate energy deals, while not throwing off the rest of the world for too long by backing this outrageous invasion.
I know that this point of view is not a big relief when you have to pay in blood for your freedom, rather than in money. And it becomes more disturbing when you have to kill your brethren to wake up and disenchant some of the people at home who might not even have a whole lot of influence and leverage in this whole scenario.
Basically Ukraine fights not only for themselves right now, but also against the oppression of the Russian people. It’s high time „the west“ increases the support of that cause if you ask me.