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@Kestony 6. d4 is more precise...
I'm surprised the black player went for the Nxd5 line when he appearantly doesn't know the Qh4 move later.
It should be noted that after Qh4 white can try the tricky move d3, it looks bad at first but when you actually go through the lines it's not easy for black (and with both Nxc7+ and Nb6+ being probably losing I would definitely go for d3 in an actual game).
EDIT: Also after 5...Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 is not forced, you can play Bd3 too. (I think objectively Bd3 is stronger though it's tricky to play)
I'm surprised the black player went for the Nxd5 line when he appearantly doesn't know the Qh4 move later.
It should be noted that after Qh4 white can try the tricky move d3, it looks bad at first but when you actually go through the lines it's not easy for black (and with both Nxc7+ and Nb6+ being probably losing I would definitely go for d3 in an actual game).
EDIT: Also after 5...Na5 6. Bb5+ c6 7. dxc6 bxc6 8. Be2 is not forced, you can play Bd3 too. (I think objectively Bd3 is stronger though it's tricky to play)
@MoistvonLipwig The white player here is Alexei Shirov 2700 rating player and black player is 2550 GM... Game was played in 2014 olympics and actually Qh4 move hasn't been played by any player in today's database and you say "apparently he doesn't know the Qh4 move later". Please, we are talking about a player who had to play for world title and his opponent - many times national champion (2600 peak rating) and apparently he did not know a move which is a novelty in crazy and unpopular variation. If a grandmaster that level did not see d3, don't claim so easily that you would have played it yourself. When you say " go through the lines", well you are doing it with your engine help, and those players have to calculate without them... I am just defending Shirov and Sulskis here. You rarely enter such an unknown territory with a king in the center without a few inacuraccies. Anyway thanks for responding!
interesting, isn't the current theoretical opinion that 6 Nxf7 is actually superior?
www.chess.com/article/view/how-do-i-get-that-1800-into-a-fried-liver
though i know the analysis has been debated but i don't exactly follow the theoretical developments here :D
www.chess.com/article/view/how-do-i-get-that-1800-into-a-fried-liver
though i know the analysis has been debated but i don't exactly follow the theoretical developments here :D
@Kestony I never said I would find those moves over the board. Both Qh4 and the response d3 are absolutely unhuman moves, no question about that.
What I said was that IF you play Nxd5 which is a highly risky move I would expect you to have looked at the following lines with the computer a lot to play such a move. While I maintain my claim that d4 is slightly more precise it fully fits Shirov's style to play Nxf7 (which isn't a bad move or anything) so as opponent I would know what's coming.
Qh4 might not have been played by strong players (and weak players probably don't prepare openings that deeply) but that's probably because strong players usually don't play Nxd5. But if you do prepare you will find Qh4 (in fact I did when I analyzed that opening back in 2011 or so).
I'm also not critizising you, it's just that I spent a lot of time analyzing this opening so I just wanted to share a few of my conclusions.
What I said was that IF you play Nxd5 which is a highly risky move I would expect you to have looked at the following lines with the computer a lot to play such a move. While I maintain my claim that d4 is slightly more precise it fully fits Shirov's style to play Nxf7 (which isn't a bad move or anything) so as opponent I would know what's coming.
Qh4 might not have been played by strong players (and weak players probably don't prepare openings that deeply) but that's probably because strong players usually don't play Nxd5. But if you do prepare you will find Qh4 (in fact I did when I analyzed that opening back in 2011 or so).
I'm also not critizising you, it's just that I spent a lot of time analyzing this opening so I just wanted to share a few of my conclusions.
@MoistvonLipwig Now I totally agree with you. Actually the reason 11...Qh4 hasn't been played is because 9.a3 is probably a mistake.
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